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Declined Make killings taunts KOs only if it is done in an attempt to kill somebody

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Steve Harvey Oswald

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So recently the rule was added that all killing taunts are KOs.
While I understand the reasoning, it seems silly to me. Yes, I responded to the original thread, but it was ignored outside of the reply "POW" so I just want to make sure both sides of the coin are seen here.

The primary argument against killing taunts is that you cannot walk away from a pootis pow, that it is a one hit kill. While this is true, it isn't like it has any form of range. You would have to be in a close proximity to the red powing. On top of this, they are slow, and odds are by the time you see the heavy pull his arms back, and the medic get in the warrior pose in an attempt to saw through your bones, you will already recognize what is happening and either take a step back or pump that red full of lead.

That being said, usually it will be your fault if a red actually manages to kill you using a taunt.

That's not even the biggest problem with this rule though, the biggest problem is that any and all lethal taunts at any time at any position are KOs. You could technically be nowhere close to a guard, you'd still be KOs and there would be nothing you could do.

The rule only says
No lethal taunts: Doing a taunt that can kill other players will make you kos.

That just seems kind of unfair to me, as you could pootis at one of your fellow red friends and the warden or guards could come up and clap you and it would be totally within the limits of the rules.


My solution
: Only make KOs taunts KOs if they are done in an attempt to kill somebody. It is very blatant when somebody intentionally tries to kill you with a KOs taunt, so it's not like they'd be able to hide it.


I know what you may be thinking: "Well it just makes everything a little bit harder and more complex, if a blu were to walk into a red's killing taunt, the red would be KOs and it would still be the blu's fault." This is true, so I propose that doing so would fall under the same category as Force-Baiting. I know it isn't exactly the same, but it is the closest fitting rule. Basically, if a blu were to intentionally get killed by a KOs taunt and then say "the red is kos, kill him" it would be force baiting and a bannable offense.

The same would go for the other way around, if they fail at killing a blu with a taunt kill, then they cannot call "Freekill" then they are killed.


KOs taunts should only be KOs if done in an attempt to kill somebody because they are only able to kill at a close range, and odds are if you die from it it will be your fault.

Also, walking into a KOs taunt and then claiming that the red is KOs will be considered forcebaiting.

Also works the other way around for a red, if they fail at killing a blu with a taunt kill, then they cannot call "Freekill" then they are killed.

Thanks for reading this long thread, it was a matter that I felt I really should try to discuss ever since the original rule was passed in order to help everybody have a good time.
 

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The issue I have with implementing this right off the bat is we will get a bunch of people saying oh "he walked into my taunt" even though they clearly didn't. Which creates more problems, more arguments, more disagreements, and more frustration for admins. Adding variables to rules confuses a lot of people. So not for me, thanks.
 

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Why would we undo a rule change that was made just a few weeks ago because you were on the other side of the conversation?
 

Steve Harvey Oswald

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Why would we undo a rule change that was made just a few weeks ago because you were on the other side of the conversation?

I didn't make this purely because I had a seperate opinion on the rule, I made it because the rule was implemented without my post being acknowledged and I wanted to make sure it was taken into consideration.

Plus, I put some more points into this post than my previous post.
 

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I didn't make this purely because I had a seperate opinion on the rule, I made it because the rule was implemented without my post being acknowledged and I wanted to make sure it was taken into consideration.

Plus, I put some more points into this post than my previous post.

Maybe instead of posting "POW" you should have contributed something at the time? :p
 

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It just makes things confusing. A guard could just be carelessly walking by a Heavy fingerbanging upwards and because of how the taunt is meant to appear, it'll look like he's aiming in front of himself therefore "deliberately" aiming at the guard. The rule's fine as it is imo at least.
 
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