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sunstep

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There is an addon that allows forum users to upload their own emoji, so they can use it pretty much everywhere (shoutout box, in a thread, on anyone's profile etc.)

How does it work?

It's pretty simple.

First, you go to the page where you can add an emoji:

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If I am right, the page should be located here.

Once you are on the page, you should see something like this (page may be looking different than what you see on this screenshot):

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Just give it a title, enter what text it should replace and then finally you can upload the image from either your own device or you can enter the url of the image on another website so it gets it from there.


example:

Smilie title: Steam Happy (This can really be anything, it doesn't make a difference)

Text to replace: steamhappy (the text that gets replaced to the emoji, do NOT put ": :" around the word, it automatically does that already.)

Upload new smilie: Just choose image from your device.

Result:
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And that's pretty much it, you can use the emoji now if everything is set up correctly.

For if you want to see the addon page:
Url to the addon: https://xenforo.com/community/resources/tl-user-smilies.6476/


If you visit the page, you can ignore the permissions section because it's not really relevant to regular users.
 
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Yet I don't see images perms being restricted
Read my previous response that was targeted at you.
I'd also just like to add, images are much more easily abusable, aren't they?
If they are easier to use, why do we need to add custom emotes, wouldn't they just be harder to use?
I don't understand what the downside is other than some might abuse it and that we staff might have another thing to monitor, but that's what we signed up for, no? It's a lazy excuse to say we shouldn't implement something because of that.
Would you be in favour of donators having !voteban perms then? If not, give me another reason other than it will be abused.
that doesn't mean every donor is stripped away of those commands because the vast majority knows how to use them properly.
This isn't a case of something being stripped from donators, it is a case of attempting to add an unnecessary feature that will only lead to abuse and more issues. People who abuse already have donor, what's to say people who are inclined to abuse their perms won't abuse on the forums? It is opening us up to multiple negative scenarios for little to no overall benefit.
 

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Would you be in favour of donators having !voteban perms then? If not, give me another reason other than it will be abused.
It's pretty simple - it has the ability to restrict OTHER players from playing on BlackWonder. I would think that's pretty obvious. The only thing these emotes do is add a silly picture under a post. If they abuse their emotes, no one is getting harmed but themselves.

it is a case of attempting to add an unnecessary feature
I mean at this point, I would like to believe you are just trying to be the devils advocate. It's a donor perk, it does not have to be necessary, otherwise everyone would get it. I think the keyword you are missing is PERK.
 

sunstep

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Players in-game are able to set custom sprays of whatever they want, causing us to constantly spend our time moderating them as people will set it as gore/porn/literally anything NSFW, and we do not need to waste any more time having to worry about people being able to set their own emojis to something NSFW.
You're currently speaking for other moderators/ admins in this comment. What are the thoughts of other moderators on this? Are they on the same page as you? Besides, you chose to become a moderator, moderating is what you are supposed to do, so don't complain about it. And one final thing: tf2 is a whole different environment than the forums, you can't compare them. You forgot to mention that while tf2 has sprays, the forums currently have the ability to post images, and you have only admitted to having to moderate it on tf2, but not on the forums. Which means moderation is not even needed on the forums. So stop implying something you cannot proof.

I'm sure there are some who will abuse it, I never said there wouldn't be any, however, I don't think that alone should be a factor as to why we shouldn't implement something unless it's a highway for massive abuse, which it isn't when we assign it to a single group; the donors.

As you yourself said so well, donors already have commands they can abuse, and it actually happens quite often, but that doesn't mean every donor is stripped away of those commands because the vast majority knows how to use them properly. There is also the fact that they have used money to get those perks and getting caught abusing them would just be a waste of money.

I don't understand what the downside is other than some might abuse it and that we staff might have another thing to monitor, but that's what we signed up for, no? It's a lazy excuse to say we shouldn't implement something because of that.

It's a fun idea and a fun little perk to give to those who donate to BlackWonder. If we make a rule with a clear definition of what's allowed and what's not, I don't see why we should add it, unless it's for the same reason the dislike button was removed, then there isn't much to say.
I agree with this. A lot of things can be abused. Might as well restrict sprays in game and emoji's in Blackwonder's discord server if you think like that. So far, there is no evidence that this feature would get abused, because the forums is a different place than discord and tf2, so I would say, go give it a shot. And while it is self-explanatory, the user should get a warning at the upload page saying that NSFW is not allowed and that if you do it, you won't be able to use the feature anymore. This way the responsibility is in the hands of the user and abusing it shows the moderators that you can not handle the responsibility of uploading appropriate emoji's or not.

I'd also just like to add, images are much more easily abusable, aren't they? To abuse emotes you'd have to first upload them as an emote and then spam that tiny image everywhere, where images can be uploaded at any size anywhere. Yet I don't see images perms being restricted
Additionally, if it would require donor, why would you pay to abuse when you can already do that for free with images
Just seems like an inconvenience for anyone who wants to troll
I also agree with this, it's literally possible to post NSFW right now. Just watch me do it:
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Yet I don't see anyone posting NSFW on the forums. Why would implementing this feature change that? I still don't get why Crikey is implying that things will go wrong implementing custom emoji's add-on, where is your trust to the player base? Honestly, it's not even needed to make it donor only, IMO.
I'm going to continue to use emoji's on the forums, whether this gets accepted or not.
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While I understand where @crikey is coming from, and generally agree with his stance on this issue, the forums are much more of a controlled environment than Discord/the servers. If the concern is abuse we can require uploaded emojis to require approval before they can be used, like the majority of forum actions currently do. This will ensure anything objectionable gets dealt with before anyone sees it.
 

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I think some people are seriously overestimating how much this feature is going to be abused. 90% of the forums are made up of reports, appeals, and applications. The people who use the forums at this point generally are either regulars or just trying to get a ban undone.

How many dumpster threads have we had lately? Few enough for Tax Fraud and I to question whether appointing another Garfielder is worth the effort. The dumpster threads that do exist aren't malicious in nature, they're just goofy posts for the sake of goofy posts.

Looking at the recent forum trends, I see no real concern for people uploading inappropriate emotes. Some of you guys have an absolutely lukewarm sense of humor, but other than that I think it'd be generally be fine for people to upload their own emotes.

Also, the time for a Garfield reaction is long overdue.
 

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If the concern is abuse we can require uploaded emojis to require approval before they can be used, like the majority of forum actions currently do.
If emotes were to require approval before being able to be used, that would negate the concern of abuse. If this suggestion was to be implemented, this aspect is a must.
 

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If emotes were to require approval before being able to be used, that would negate the concern of abuse. If this suggestion was to be implemented, this aspect is a must.
This means that implementing this is possible. Unfortunately, you seem to have ignored my points in my previous replies.
 

sunstep

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As I have already told you, restricting images is infeasible, refusing to unrestrict emojis is.
To defend Pienamai: I did a quick fact check on this by hosting an entire forum, and I'm going to need to correct you: restricting images is not infeasible.

I quickly hosted my own forum on my personal server, and it's possible to restrict uploading attachments with a single click of a button. There is a special permission for just this matter.

See the following attachment:

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While I get that infeasible could also mean impracticable, by your reasoning you imply that images should also be restricted on the forums as they could be abused as well, and that it needs moderation. Alternatively, all posts with attachments and/or images would require moderator approval! Or, well, that's what I understood so far.
 

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Now that I finally have some time to post a larger sized reply instead of a quick comment:
I'm going to continue to use emoji's on the forums, whether this gets accepted or not.
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(Written in an earlier reply that I wrote.)
I originally meant this as a joke, but we can also learn from this line. As I said in the quoted text, I will be able to use emoji's regardless of this suggestion getting accepted or not. Restricting emoji's is just like restricting images. It's exactly the same, yet you implied that restricting images is not possible, while emojis should be restricted. I feel like you are not in favor of this suggestion because of something you have not (yet) said. You are currently judging this suggestion while we have not even seen for a second how implementing this would actually end up. This has already been said before but due to how important it is I will address it again, people are already able to post images on the forums, which could be abused. Nobody is going to take the effort to upload an image, and then abuse it, while at the same time they can just right-click an image from Google or whatever site they are on. Then simply create a forum post, hit CTRL + v and the image is in its full size visible. So that's another thing: regular images can be shown in full size, while emojis are small, which has also been said before in a reply. And remember, posting an emoji IS THE SAME as posting an image. There is literally NO difference. An emoji is LITERALLY an image. The way you post is just different. This feature is just supposed to make it more convenient. It's already weird to me how this will be a donator only perk, which I will get to later in this reply. Why is there full freedom when it comes to regular images, while it can be restricted, as I have shown in my previous reply. And that emojis deserve to be restricted because of how abusive it can be. It simply doesn't make sense to me. Images can be abused just like emojis, no questions asked. Period. What also doesn't make sense to me is that it is supposed to be for donator only perk, That is absolutely unnecessary due to my previous points I mentioned here. Which was the fact that nobody would abuse this feature to begin with, and because regular images have proven that nobody actually posts abusive images here on this forum. Also, the fact that you can post small images is exactly the same as posting an emoji. So, even if you are not a donator, you could simply get around it in theory. And also in practice, but it's less convenient. The only argument in favor that I can find for making this a donator perk, is that it makes the use of emojis easier. Which could justify making it a donator perk for just a bit, because at the end of the day, donator is supposed to make life easier, right? But other than that, this should be a regular forum feature, in my opinion. I already find it pretty weird that this is not something built-in in Xenforo that it would only require an admin or owner to enable a switch to enable people to upload their own emojis. Also, the argument that it might make donating more attractive does not really work here because again, regular images can be a replacement to emojis. And I can't really imagine that this feature would be the biggest reason for someone to donate, honestly. Also, remember that making this perk donator only, would probably require Benedevil to create an entire different group on the forum for donators due to the difference in permission settings. Making the group is not much of a hassle, but adding the donators to the group is. Foremost, how would you add all existing donators to the group? Adding all donators manually would probably take a long time, and it definitely will require a lot of effort. Secondly, there is also something needed that would automatically add a person to the donator group after donating. That would also require development by a developer or by Benedevil. Which is probably going to be a struggle. I already find it surprising that Crikey is the one coming up with counterarguments, while I haven't seen a single dev mentioning anything about the struggles that it would take to make this a donator only perk. I personally wouldn't even bother making this donator only unless Benedevil has already set something up for this, to solve what I just described above. Also, this is probably a good thing to keep in mind when implementing it for Benedevil. Of course, it could be that I am wrong here. And that it is much easier to make this a donator only perk, but I don't know if donator roles are already a thing on the forum. It could of course also be added already without me knowing about it. But I assume it's not, so I also assume that it would take much effort to make this a donator only perk. Crikey, could you maybe explain to me how emojis can be abused while regular images are fine? You earlier complained about that it requires moderation in an earlier reply saying that in tf2 custom sprays can already be placed and that it would require moderation. And that adding this feature would require even more moderation and time. I personally don't think this will cost (or waste, as you described it) you or any mod's time.
But is that where the problem is for you? Is this why you are against this suggestion? Also, I am going to ask you again where you are getting your information from, who told/ why do you think that things will go south implementing this? I've now addressed everything you said. Remember: fact is that regular images are WAY easier to abuse than emojis. There are a lot of moderators on Blackwonder as far as I am aware. So I don't think the issue is about moderation shortage here. Perhaps separate moderator roles could be made, like forum moderator and that moderators can CHOOSE to get this role and that they are responsible for moderating the forums if they want. Surely a compromise could be made to get this implemented anyway. Please reconsider your opinion on this thread.


Edit (22/11/2022):
I hope I have said enough in the post above and in this thread in general. When I started this thread, I just thought of this being a little fun addition to the Blackwonder forums. I had hoped that this feature would be accessible to everyone on the forums, whether the person has donated or not. My guess is that (as I have said in the post above this) that making this a donor only perk will only be a struggle and require unnecessary effort to implement. I also have reason to believe that this feature will not be abused. This idea was inspired from a different community server that has this feature added to their forums. In my eyes, nobody seems to abuse it. I mean, why would people do that if they can just copy and paste a larger image if they really sought to abuse. I am not going any deeper into it because I already have given all my points in the text above. That you can read for your self. And I assume that you can guess that I don't really have much more to say about this feature in this thread. Unfortunately, I never expected this thread to be still pending after 8 months. A lot has changed since then. And it's not that I was that significant in the Blackwonder community anyway, but if you haven't noticed. I am not really that active anymore on Blackwonder or any games in general. So I wanted to say that after all the effort I did on the thread. It will be unlikely that I will use this feature (often) on this forum. Looking at the amount of upvotes, though, I see that this feature is generally wanted by the community. I would still want this feature to be implemented, for the sake of other forum users. I trust on it that I have provided enough arguments for this to be implemented, and enough counterarguments to prevent the feature to become donator only, so it becomes accessible for everyone on the forum.
 
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Now that I finally have some time to post a larger sized reply instead of a quick comment:

I originally meant this as a joke, but we can also learn from this line. As I said in the quoted text, I will be able to use emoji's regardless of this suggestion getting accepted or not. Restricting emoji's is just like restricting images. It's exactly the same, yet you implied that restricting images is not possible, while emojis should be restricted. I feel like you are not in favor of this suggestion because of something you have not (yet) said. You are currently judging this suggestion while we have not even seen for a second how implementing this would actually end up. This has already been said before but due to how important it is I will address it again, people are already able to post images on the forums, which could be abused. Nobody is going to take the effort to upload an image, and then abuse it, while at the same time they can just right-click an image from Google or whatever site they are on. Then simply create a forum post, hit CTRL + v and the image is in its full size visible. So that's another thing: regular images can be shown in full size, while emojis are small, which has also been said before in a reply. And remember, posting an emoji IS THE SAME as posting an image. There is literally NO difference. An emoji is LITERALLY an image. The way you post is just different. This feature is just supposed to make it more convenient. It's already weird to me how this will be a donator only perk, which I will get to later in this reply. Why is there full freedom when it comes to regular images, while it can be restricted, as I have shown in my previous reply. And that emojis deserve to be restricted because of how abusive it can be. It simply doesn't make sense to me. Images can be abused just like emojis, no questions asked. Period. What also doesn't make sense to me is that it is supposed to be for donator only perk, That is absolutely unnecessary due to my previous points I mentioned here. Which was the fact that nobody would abuse this feature to begin with, and because regular images have proven that nobody actually posts abusive images here on this forum. Also, the fact that you can post small images is exactly the same as posting an emoji. So, even if you are not a donator, you could simply get around it in theory. And also in practice, but it's less convenient. The only argument in favor that I can find for making this a donator perk, is that it makes the use of emojis easier. Which could justify making it a donator perk for just a bit, because at the end of the day, donator is supposed to make life easier, right? But other than that, this should be a regular forum feature, in my opinion. I already find it pretty weird that this is not something built-in in Xenforo that it would only require an admin or owner to enable a switch to enable people to upload their own emojis. Also, the argument that it might make donating more attractive does not really work here because again, regular images can be a replacement to emojis. And I can't really imagine that this feature would be the biggest reason for someone to donate, honestly. Also, remember that making this perk donator only, would probably require Benedevil to create an entire different group on the forum for donators due to the difference in permission settings. Making the group is not much of a hassle, but adding the donators to the group is. Foremost, how would you add all existing donators to the group? Adding all donators manually would probably take a long time, and it definitely will require a lot of effort. Secondly, there is also something needed that would automatically add a person to the donator group after donating. That would also require development by a developer or by Benedevil. Which is probably going to be a struggle. I already find it surprising that Crikey is the one coming up with counterarguments, while I haven't seen a single dev mentioning anything about the struggles that it would take to make this a donator only perk. I personally wouldn't even bother making this donator only unless Benedevil has already set something up for this, to solve what I just described above. Also, this is probably a good thing to keep in mind when implementing it for Benedevil. Of course, it could be that I am wrong here. And that it is much easier to make this a donator only perk, but I don't know if donator roles are already a thing on the forum. It could of course also be added already without me knowing about it. But I assume it's not, so I also assume that it would take much effort to make this a donator only perk. Crikey, could you maybe explain to me how emojis can be abused while regular images are fine? You earlier complained about that it requires moderation in an earlier reply saying that in tf2 custom sprays can already be placed and that it would require moderation. And that adding this feature would require even more moderation and time. I personally don't think this will cost (or waste, as you described it) you or any mod's time.
But is that where the problem is for you? Is this why you are against this suggestion? Also, I am going to ask you again where you are getting your information from, who told/ why do you think that things will go south implementing this? I've now addressed everything you said. Remember: fact is that regular images are WAY easier to abuse than emojis. There are a lot of moderators on Blackwonder as far as I am aware. So I don't think the issue is about moderation shortage here. Perhaps separate moderator roles could be made, like forum moderator and that moderators can CHOOSE to get this role and that they are responsible for moderating the forums if they want. Surely a compromise could be made to get this implemented anyway. Please reconsider your opinion on this thread.


For fuck’s sake, how can I write so much about emojis. 💀 View attachment 30812
I'll make some points when I manage to read the entire wall of text you posted.
 

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