PicklePicklePickle
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Threads are locked for many reasons. Maybe, the discussion has reached its conclusion. Maybe the discussion will never reach its conclusion. Or maybe the discussion has been derailed. Whatever the case may be, threads are locked. However, there is one place in the forums where I feel that locks need to be limited. And that place is none other than PUNISHMENT APPEALS.
The first time I was greeted to the “Not open for further replies” was here:
https://blackwonder.tf/threads/admin-abuse.18723/
Note that I’m not arguing I’m in the right here, I’m arguing that you prematurely closed a discussion. I made two points about what I did and you only really mentioned one. Why not continue the discussion to talk about the other? I’m expecting a lot of bias to be at play here because if I was an admin, I personally would not put the additional effort of having a conversation when I could just reply and lock. However, if you want to have a fair system you got to put limits on it. Here’s another case where my thread got locked even though I had plenty more to say:
https://blackwonder.tf/threads/picklepicklepickles-mute-appeal.22114/
Ah yes, call me obnoxious, mention a point I made that was at the very end and wasn’t really even a point, and then end it off by addressing another point which I barely talked about. But that’s all it takes for the thread to be locked.
The most recent locked thread which has really tingled my pringles is this one:
https://blackwonder.tf/threads/picklepicklepickles-ban-appeal.22467/
Kerknor’s second reply is so terrible. So, first off, you misinterpreted what I said in the second quote. I meant that it makes sense how I got kicked in regard to SourceBans not being connected, not that your reason for kicking me makes sense. For the third quote, my comparison to you and the rules is something that is obviously not to be taken seriously, I said it was just something to think about. You also take me saying that I held the spawn door open and ignore that I explained how it wouldn’t be defined as griefing, I put the definition, why didn’t you quote that? And the most important part is that you DIDN’T give a DEMO. Even if it isn’t necessary, I asked for the demo from the very start. But instead of saying all of this in a neat reply, guess what? It’s fucking locked. No more replies, no more discussions, no more reasoning, and completely unfair. Imagine if they did that in court, the defendant is in the middle of saying his case and the plaintiff is allowed to say “Nah, this case is closed”.
I’ve recently talked to RainbowRobb and according to him, he says that people add him all the time in regard to appeals/bans. I assume the same thing happens with other admins. You know why people take appeals outside of the forums? It’s because their thread gets locked and they don’t get a chance to reply. So how do we limit these unfair locks? Well, I made three simple guidelines:
Again, appeals should be as fair as possible, so preventing someone from defending themselves IN THEIR OWN APPEAL is silly. Hopefully, it isn’t just a bunch of admins who come in and say their two cents but some actual PEOPLE who experienced having their appeal being locked and not being able to respond.
Anyways, that’s my suggestion.
The first time I was greeted to the “Not open for further replies” was here:
https://blackwonder.tf/threads/admin-abuse.18723/
Note that I’m not arguing I’m in the right here, I’m arguing that you prematurely closed a discussion. I made two points about what I did and you only really mentioned one. Why not continue the discussion to talk about the other? I’m expecting a lot of bias to be at play here because if I was an admin, I personally would not put the additional effort of having a conversation when I could just reply and lock. However, if you want to have a fair system you got to put limits on it. Here’s another case where my thread got locked even though I had plenty more to say:
https://blackwonder.tf/threads/picklepicklepickles-mute-appeal.22114/
Ah yes, call me obnoxious, mention a point I made that was at the very end and wasn’t really even a point, and then end it off by addressing another point which I barely talked about. But that’s all it takes for the thread to be locked.
The most recent locked thread which has really tingled my pringles is this one:
https://blackwonder.tf/threads/picklepicklepickles-ban-appeal.22467/
Kerknor’s second reply is so terrible. So, first off, you misinterpreted what I said in the second quote. I meant that it makes sense how I got kicked in regard to SourceBans not being connected, not that your reason for kicking me makes sense. For the third quote, my comparison to you and the rules is something that is obviously not to be taken seriously, I said it was just something to think about. You also take me saying that I held the spawn door open and ignore that I explained how it wouldn’t be defined as griefing, I put the definition, why didn’t you quote that? And the most important part is that you DIDN’T give a DEMO. Even if it isn’t necessary, I asked for the demo from the very start. But instead of saying all of this in a neat reply, guess what? It’s fucking locked. No more replies, no more discussions, no more reasoning, and completely unfair. Imagine if they did that in court, the defendant is in the middle of saying his case and the plaintiff is allowed to say “Nah, this case is closed”.
I’ve recently talked to RainbowRobb and according to him, he says that people add him all the time in regard to appeals/bans. I assume the same thing happens with other admins. You know why people take appeals outside of the forums? It’s because their thread gets locked and they don’t get a chance to reply. So how do we limit these unfair locks? Well, I made three simple guidelines:
- The person who made the ban is not allowed to lock the thread
- The appealer needs to be asked if they have anything else to say.
- Lock threads once the appealer has said that they have nothing else to say or the appealer stops replying. Additionally, if the appealer isn’t adding anything of value or derailing the conversation the thread can be locked.
Again, appeals should be as fair as possible, so preventing someone from defending themselves IN THEIR OWN APPEAL is silly. Hopefully, it isn’t just a bunch of admins who come in and say their two cents but some actual PEOPLE who experienced having their appeal being locked and not being able to respond.
Anyways, that’s my suggestion.