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Resolved Report against Esthers Finger (JB)

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Who are you reporting? Esthers Finger

What server game mode is the report concerned with?
JB

What is the accused persons's SteamID? [U:1:915712743]

What is the reason of the report? Freekilling a freeday
 

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he freekilled me as a spy even though i pulled my sapper out as he stated to do
 

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Who are you reporting? Esthers Finger

What server game mode is the report concerned with?
JB

What is the accused persons's SteamID? [U:1:915712743]

What is the reason of the report? Freekilling a freeday
This player is also racist, calling players he knows are black monkey and repeatedly insinuating saying the nword
 

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proof wont upload
There may not be proof but there are multiple backing claims. I witnessed the player kill someone while ignoring their repeat request, then lazily say "I didn't want to" as his reason for not answering the player; He is a disgusting player and should at the least have his voice privileges on the server removed, and at MOST should be permanently banned from playing on them. He's not pleasant to be around and joins because he needs a power fantasy over other people.
 

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Just because there is multiple claims backing up doesn't mean we should punish. Who says y'all aren't teaming up just to make us think it actually happened. So proof is needed, words isn't enough.
 

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We don't accept witnesses as valid evidence, as those are prone to being manipulated and untruthful.
As Kimmel said, if the proof won't upload, try using hosting sites like google drive, mediafire, mega, or youtube.
 

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This player is also racist, calling players he knows are black monkey and repeatedly insinuating saying the nword
I've punished them for this.
Will leave the report open for proof of the freekilling.
 

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Just because there is multiple claims backing up doesn't mean we should punish. Who says y'all aren't teaming up just to make us think it actually happened. So proof is needed, words isn't enough.
Pretty ridiculous to assume people are gonna go recording their TF2 games looking for abuse, whatever your policies are; They are shit. If you can't take multiple people at their word because you think there's a 'malicious' effort to antagonize a racist asshole then I'm just gonna assume you're defending him. It's clear nobody in the thread has good things to say about the guy which doesn't come from misplaced hate; It's about the way he presented himself and chose to act in a gamemode where being vocal is mandatory, so for multiple users to claim that they witnessed or experienced the same thing and for that to not be good enough to you is crazy. Why even play devils advocate like he might be innocent when he was toxic to MULTIPLE people? You suck ass at your job bro, he's not a little guy in this situation; He's the problem.
 

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If you can't take multiple people at their word because you think there's a 'malicious' effort to antagonize a racist asshole then I'm just gonna assume you're defending him.
I have personally encountered a whole server organizing a coordinated lie campaign to get a legitimate player punished, just because they didn't like him. This happened twice so far, luckily I was already in the server and witnessed it go down. Besides that, this turns it into a "he said she said" argument. If you want examples, there are plenty on the internet where people were incorrectly charged with crimes because the witnesses were either lying or had mistaken what had happened.

Why even play devils advocate like he might be innocent when he was toxic to MULTIPLE people?
he was punished for the toxicity, as I have proof to back up this claim.

You suck ass at your job bro, he's not a little guy in this situation; He's the problem.
This is not a job, we're unpaid volunteers.
We are not defending him. If anyone were reported without evidence, it'd be declined. This is not favoritism, it's policy to ensure we're as neutral and fair at punishing players as we can.

How would you react if a whole server claimed you were constantly freekilling, and we punished you although there was no evidence, and you did nothing wrong? Because this type of situation is not as uncommon as you might think.

Pretty ridiculous to assume people are gonna go recording their TF2 games looking for abuse
There are tools that record gameplay in the background, it doesn't take too much effort. And I promise you, a lot of players would suddenly decide to start recording if we flipped the policy from "innocent until proven guilty" to "guilty until proven innocent".
 

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Pretty ridiculous to assume people are gonna go recording their TF2 games looking for abuse, whatever your policies are; They are shit. If you can't take multiple people at their word because you think there's a 'malicious' effort to antagonize a racist asshole then I'm just gonna assume you're defending him. It's clear nobody in the thread has good things to say about the guy which doesn't come from misplaced hate; It's about the way he presented himself and chose to act in a gamemode where being vocal is mandatory, so for multiple users to claim that they witnessed or experienced the same thing and for that to not be good enough to you is crazy. Why even play devils advocate like he might be innocent when he was toxic to MULTIPLE people? You suck ass at your job bro, he's not a little guy in this situation; He's the problem.
This isn't America where it's guilty until proven innocent. We, normal people do it as it should be done. Innocent until proven guilty. Provide proof, or play somewhere else if you don't like it.
 

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I will be locking this thread for now, as the report has gone off-topic. If you have something to say, please make a thread in the proper subforum, or message me directly, either here on the forums on via discord. My dms are always open and I'm happy to hear any complaints or feedback.

@dianite you can edit your original post to add a link to the evidence, or drop me a ping on discord once you have the evidence ready and I'll unlock the thread.
 
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