Completed Yet another Beggars Bazooka x100/x1000 thread

[DaggerSable]

We don't really need another one, but due to the attachment, here we go again. As far as x100 and x1000 goes, the Beggars Bazooka is an ineffective weapon that is only useful for three things. 1: Generating massive amounts of health with Gunboats so you can maybe go on a melee tear with the Zatoichi/Escape Plan/Equalizer. 2: Camping outside one of the enemy spawn doors hoping to get a kill with exploded reloads or just regular firing. 3: Crashing the server.

The real problem here is that in going for use 1 or 2, you're contributing to use 3. As far as I'm aware, this is the only weapon that can even cause a crash. I've never had a problem with any other weapon, and I have a pretty beefy computer, and this thing still creates problems on the server. Supposedly, the server will remove projectiles above a certain limit to prevent lag/crashing, but that clearly doesn't work. (EDIT: Yes, technically the Grenade Launcher and Force-A-Nature can cause problems as well, but as far as I've seen the FaN was fixed except on low-end hardware, and the GL is also only a problem on lower-end hardware. Neither cause significant problems to the server itself.)

I don't claim to know anything about game balance, or really have a suggestion for how to fix this beyond simply removing what is primarily a troll weapon. All I know is that due to this coming up pretty often, something should be done. As I'm writing this, I actually crashed due to someone doing this while trying to gather evidence for reports.

Screenshot 1 is the more recent "suggestion" from #requesthelp on Discord to put forth an idea for a change here on the forums. Screenshot 2 is of multiple forums posts made about it already, and screenshot 3 is multiple complaints made in #requesthelp on the Discord.

So, if I have to put forth a suggestion, disable the weapon until a more reasonable solution can be found. As it is, the weapon provides very little upside for using it at the massive cost of crashing the server for multiple other players.

 

[BananAsriel]

1: Generating massive amounts of health with Gunboats so you can maybe go on a melee tear with the Zatoichi/Escape Plan/Equalizer. 2: Camping outside one of the enemy spawn doors hoping to get a kill with exploded reloads or just regular firing. 3: Crashing the server.

this is all genuinely part of the 1000x tf2 experience. no joke.
The server crashing can probably be controlled as some servers implement a cap on the amount of projectiles that can exist at one time (and i think we probably use that too already?)
the healing and camping is just a product of how the gamemode flows and in the same way soldier has the beggar's other classes have their own unique bizarre interactions

 

[DaggerSable]

The health and gateblock examples are not negatives. Those are two legitimate uses of the weapon, which is why I listed them. They're the only two good ways to utilize the weapon, as far as I'm aware. I'm saying that those two uses don't hold up against the major negative here, which is the crashing. They contribute to it.

 

[Chris TCC]

Honestly, the problems x1000 is generating with the entity limit, it's just easier to nuke the server and move on...

 

[Benedevil]

Reduced the fire rate of the beggars to the x100 level on x1000.
Only x1000 seems to crash due to excessive projectiles

 

[Benedevil]

Since no one is complaining anymore.
Closing