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Pending Remove or fix !solo on dodgeball

Miss Netty

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I see that bene has added a new plugin to Dodgeball.
!solo.
!solo is as it says you play solo. but it's not 100% solo. you get slayed at the start of the round to spectate. and after your team has died it's you vs the rest of the live player on the other team.
It's basically shitty few good men.
I don't get the point at all to have it on the servers that has juggernaut and few good men. it's 1 vs the rest. no point in haveing another on but more shitty.
I have seen had heard ppl complaining about this new plugin.
You could make solo it's own game mod. Live lets say 18 max on a sever. 9v9 but it is 1v1. but if a guy never dies on red lets say. then the players get moved to the other team to play against. so it is still a 1v1 so all can play. We do not need this !solo in the normal dodgeball servers. it's just dumb.

I would really like this plugin to be removed.
Thank you for listening
- NETROX
 
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I 100% agree with netty, not only is the plugin just a boring version of /vj or /fgm allowing people to brag their ego to clutch, it's also extremely faulty, allowing for players to respawn an infinite number of times on occasion. To have /solo removed would make 0 difference as to having it in game, as it's merely pointless.
 

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If people want to play 1v1 or against many they should just simply outlive their teammates and win?
It feels redundant to have a plugin that forces this scenario when the nature of the gamemode is Arena mode
 

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I don't see it having any impact, I actually like the !solo. Lets say the enemy team likes to frequently switch the rocket at high speeds, I'm talking like 200+ MPH not the baby speed 180 MPH and below. It can be rather annoying if you have to deal with a switch of that speed and by having !solo it would get rid of that annoyance.
 

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I can go watch movies before my team finnaly die so i can peacefully fight solo, iam neutral about the plugin since it doesn't affect my playstyle that much.
Upside is that i dont get randomly sniped while waiting for team to die.
Downside is that i get death every round so the score isn't looking that good.
 

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In the past few days me too noticed this new plugin. When I first saw this new "thing" I'm felt like "what the hell is this, did I miss something when I was offline or what?" but then I slowly discovered what this !solo do [btw Bene I would appriciate if in the future I get noitified when something new is added like this, and I can share it with the other DB mods(if it is possible)]. So !solo like Shades said can provide a way to play against the enemy without any annoying switch that kills you, for peoples like Taygete( he is mostly a cqc player and for that you need to be alone because in other way it's hard). But still the most common way is what Banan said just outlive your teammates, so the plugin is unnecesssary. For me the most importnat is to not affect the game itself in any way, it's still playable, not provide any advantage for the player. I think it can stay because for some people it can be fun to play alone against a whole team( if they still alive). I don't say that it's really needed, but good to have an option like this.
 

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That new !solo mode got me by surprise since I didn't saw any update related to db at BLW website even tho I can see two points on how !solo is usefull on some cases. One of them focused on cqc players just like how Nebula said above and another point would be by the unexpected switches above +200mph ( Happens quite lot on full server ) that can be avoided using !solo
I also see the downside as a delay in the match and the fact that players who are in solo mode do not play if their team survives the round and on top of that is killed at first having no opportunity to play. We already have !rtd and !fgm on Normal Dodgeball having !solo there is kinda pointless,only making !solo mode just a bit more usefull on adv sometimes.
So far my vote for !solo mode is neutral
 

Zonas

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I sent an update to Benedevil that will put you into the losing team so you will always get to play.
I don't see why it's a problem to the server, if you do not want to get teamkilled, getting killed while typing etc, solo is a good thing.
If you don't like it then just don't use it

The bug that makes you play twice has been fixed aswell. Dodgeball servers always have problems with teamkilling, blocking etc, sometimes you die because of one of your teammate and this plugin is just there for people who don't want wait the whole round just to die at the end because of someone else, and now that I sent another version to Benedevil, you will always get to play because the plugin will put you into the losing team instead.

And I think that Netrox didn't really understand this plugin
!solo is as it says you play solo. but it's not 100% solo. you get slayed at the start of the round to spectate. and after your team has died it's you vs the rest of the live player on the other team.
I don't know what you tried to say because the plugin does exactly what it should, you play "solo" against the enemy team.
Few good men has a problem because when too many players are in the same team, it becomes almost impossible to play normally because you don't have enough space, solo is there to fix this so you don't steal, you don't block people.

An 1v1 server wouldn't work either, servers need to be populated, MGE servers have players only when 2 people want to duel and again solo isn't for 1v1s, it's just to avoid getting killed before actually playing

Thank you
 
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Okay, well I've seen and read all the points people have to make as to why they want !solo removed but in all reality having the plugin there aside from the bugs where you can respawn which would obviously pose an issue doesn't negatively impact anyone. I know someone made a point but there are people who do things like switch at high speeds and having solo is a good way to combat that. There's people of all skill levels on every server so to argue "just get better or play on easy" isn't too realistic either. To dismiss the entire plugin cause it doesn't suit your idea of a custom made game mode kind of makes this thread pointless really no disrespect. Solo is always generally speaking in my eight years of db a good thing to add to any server cause even if something like jug or fgm is a thing it offers a different way to play, if you don't like it don't use it and it shouldn't matter, you end up having to fight the same amount of people and in all honesty I only see it being a plus for things like fgm when everyone on the server is on one team and tk's are commonplace. This response might seem all over the place, im not too good at constructing things like this sorry :p
 

Miss Netty

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Well now that I've been able to read some of your point of view, It can reamain. (plus) the plugin has been updated. Well that is what Zonas is saying. And I believe her.
The plugin was weird at first and non of the mods nor admins knew of this new plugin. Would really like to be informed next time.
 

Zonas

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Hello, the plugin is working fine but it will clash with FGM, I don't know if that's a big issue or not

Disabling the team switch during FGM would fix it

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And there is a bug when you join the queue sometimes
 
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Miss Netty

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[REVIEW]
I've tested the (new updated) plugin.
On
FGM it changes team even tho to the winning team dies on FGM as well. that's not good. Maybe it is a bug.
On
VJ. (thankfully) doesn't apply. So you don't get switched to the jug team if jug dies.
The players that were also testing this likes the
new updated plugin.

[BUG]
There is still a command that can be used to change to the jug team!
It makes you change
team when typing [autoteam] in console.
The bug has been going around for a long time now. and also gets abused.
 
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I have added code to disable this plugin if either juggernaut or few good man is active. Will upload in the next days.

[BUG]
There is still a command that can be used to change to the jug team!
It makes you change
team when typing [autoteam] in console.
The bug has been going around for a long time now. and also gets abused.
Is this a juggernaut only bug, or is this a bug with multiple clashing plugins?
 

Zonas

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I have added code to disable this plugin if either juggernaut or few good man is active. Will upload in the next days.


Is this a juggernaut only bug, or is this a bug with multiple clashing plugins?
This is not a bug, autoteam is a command that can put you into the other team even when the teams are even
 

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[Issues]
- Two lifes bug still happens if you type "spectate;wait 1;jointeam red" in console on round start.
- Solo still persists even if you move to spectate, maybe that allows for first issue to appear.
- There's should be a limit for players on how many solo players can be, otherwise it feels like I can't finish a round, because everyone just keeps spawning in.
- For some reason, you can still use !solo when jugger round is about to start, even if it was removed afterwards.
 
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