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XesiB

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Personal Information

Name
XesiB

Your Age
19

Location
Indonesia

Your SteamID
STEAM_1:0:120778692

Server Information

Have you managed servers previously?
Yes

If Yes, which ones?
A VSH TF2 server (It was 4/5 years ago, so I don't remember) but the server was shut down after 1 month because the owner had to focus on real-life work.

RVAura Gmod TTT (Current)

Are you familiar with admin commands?
Yes

On which servers do you usually play?
Blackwonder SG VSH
Blackwonder SG Jailbreak

Application Questions

Why do you want to become an admin?
I have been actively playing TF2 again after a long time and when I was looking for a server to plant my roots at, I found the Blackwonder VSH and Jailbreak. It was a chaotic experience at first, but overall I really enjoy playing on these servers. Knowing that there is an actual active and thriving community made it even better, it means I could enjoy this for a long time. I feel that I can help with managing the servers and forums, giving insight from my past (and current) experiences managing a server and in turn hopefully, create a wonderful experience for both old and new players alike.

Do you know any of our current staff members?
Yes

If Yes, please tell us their names.
OverKillAByte - I don't know him personally, but he was the one I contacted when I needed help and he was super helpful about it

Ice - Again I don't know him personally, however when I made my first thread regarding this server he was the first one to reply to it and gave a satisfying answer that also gave me insight.

Please tell us when you usually play and are available.
Since my college busy days are now over I can play almost every day unless super busy, besides if I am not in the game I am usually on the discord or forums.

How would you go about punishing a hacker, spammer, simple rulebreaker, etc?
==GENERAL RULES==

- Hacker/Cheater --> Permaban (With evidence such as recording to prove that they are hacking)
- Advertising Hack --> If they do not use the hack, PERMAMUTE - if they also use the hack, PERMABAN
- Mic Spammer --> Warning > Mute (1 day/3 day/1 week/2 weeks/Permanently)
- Text Spammer --> Warning > Gag
*Note: Mute and Gag differs depending on the severity of the action and the quantity, I will also consult with other staff (if possible) regarding this
- Earrape --> Instantly mute, with a warning to never do it again.
- Exploiting (like map exploit and stuff) --> Ask to stop > Slay > Ban
*Note: This also depends on the severity of the exploit, and as usual I will try to consult things I am not sure about to other staffs.
- Disrespectful towards admins --> Warning > Ban
- Evasion of Punishment --> Multiply their punishment by x2
- Racism --> Mute/Gag
- Revealing an undercover Admin --> Silenced (1 day/3 days/1 week/2 weeks)

==JAILBREAK RULES==
General rules (for everyone):
- Talking over admins during mic check --> Mute (1 hour/3 hours/1 day/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/Permanent)
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Talking over wardens --> Mute (1 hour/2 hours/3 hours/1 day/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/Permanent)
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Armoury camping --> Warn > Slay
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Delaying --> If a person is just hiding and not doing anything, then Slay
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Ghosting --> Gag/Mute (1 hour/2 hours/3 hours/1 day/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/Permanent)
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Latespawn --> Slay
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Ammo glitching --> Kick, if it is done again on purpose, ban (1 hour/3 hours/1 day/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/Permanent)
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Sticky traps --> Will ask to safely detonate away from the reds, if not slay
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AFK --> Will be moved to spectators

Blue team rules:
- No Mic --> Permanent Team Ban until they can prove they have a mic.
- Freekill --> Ask the reason of the freekill, if there are no valid reasons then ask them to accept it and slay themselves, or be slayed. Continuing to freekill after this results in a teamban (1 day/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/Permaban)
- Mass Freekill --> Instant teamban (2 weeks) and ban (1 week), If they immediately acknowledge it as an accident and slay him/herself, then only teamban (1 week)
- Killing a freeday --> If a guard kills a freeday during someone's LR but he has not rebelled, then teamban (1 day/2 days/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/Permanent)
- Freehitting --> If a guard freehits the prisoners, ask to stop, failure to comply will result in a slay. If in the next round the guard continues to freehit, then he/she will receive a teamban (1 day/2 days/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/Permanent)
- Baiting --> When a guard baits and the red hit him/her, but then he/she proceeds to kill the red because of it, then the guard will receive a teamban (1 day/2 days/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/Permanent)
- L.G.K.A when warden has not yet been locked --> Warn them before they started killing anyone, if they had already started killing then the punishment for freekill applies.
- Teamkilling --> If they acknowledge it immediately and instantly slayed themselves, then it is forgiven. If it is clear that it was on purpose and/or they continue to do it, then teamban (1 day/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/Permanent)
- Disguising as a guard --> Ask to remove disguise > Slay (If they refuse to remove the disguise)
- LR Denial --> Teamban the one who denied the LR (1 day/2 days/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/Permanent), and proceeds to give the red who has his/her LR denied, a freeday
- Griefing --> Warn > Slay > Teamban (12 hours/1 day/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/Permanent)
- Favoritism --> Warning then slay, if he/she continues the favoritism then teamban (1 day/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/Permanent)

Warden specific rules:
- Unwardening --> Slay and proceeds to do a mic check if he/she was chosen randomly as a warden, no mic will result in a teamban (until they can prove they have a mic)
- No Kill Orders --> Teamban (1 day/2 days/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/Permanent)
- No Illegal FF --> If a red died because of it, teamban (1 day/2 days/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/Permanent)
- Tricky orders --> Tell the warden to give the order in a clear and understandable manner, refusing to do so will result in a teamban (1 day/2 days/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/Permanent)
- Warden hogging --> A person can only use !w 3 times in a row, doing it more than that will result in a teamban (1 day/2 days/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/Permanent)
- Not Repeating --> Ask to do a repeat, and slay if he/she refuses. If he/she continues to not do a repeat then he/she will receive a teamban (1 day/2 days/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/Permanent)
- Lying --> Warn that the warden is not allowed to lie and cancel the order, if damage has already been done then the warden will slay themselves or be slayed. Continuing to lie will result in a teamban (1 day/2 days/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/Permanent)
- No banned minigames/days --> Warn the warden that the minigame/day is not allowed and cancel the order. If the warden ignores the warning and continues on, then he/she will receive a teamban (1 day/2 days/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/Permanent)
- No renaming the red team --> Warn the warden that this is not allowed, if the damage was already done because of this, slay. If the warden continues to rename, then he/she will receive a teamban (1 day/2 days/3 days/1 week/2 weeks/1 month/Permanent)

==VSH RULES==
- No Camping --> Warn them that camping is not allowed > Slay
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No Delaying --> Warn them that they are delaying and tell them to finish it up, if they continue to delay then they will receive a slay.
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No Being Friendly --> Warn them that it is not allowed and tell them to start killing each other, if they continue to be friendly then they will receive a slay


**Important note: Basically everything starts off light which then escalates to a harsher punishment (Unless if it is a heavy offense like hacking and avoiding punishment for example) and for other things I am hoping to be assisted by others.

Please give any other information you might think is useful for us to know.
I actually have been an admin in other games (like Minecraft and such) but I don't think I would count it in because most of those servers are owned by people I know in real life, so those positions is something I earned easily instead of worked for like the servers I mentioned, so I have more experience than what I actually wrote.

==========CHANGELOG==========
- Added a change log. (3/18/2018)
- Minor fixes on the texts. (3/18/2018)
- Added categories for the rules. (3/24/2018)
- Added more rules. (3/24/2018)
- Minor changes in the presentation to give it more color. (3/24/2018)
- Revised some of the previous rules, adding things like amount of time, etc. (3/24/2018)
 
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RainbowRobb

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I think you may still be working on this application, as it appears kind-of brief, at the moment. I think the following quote adds validity to your desire to become an admin; however, it also provides additional concern about your lack of mastery of the language used here.

I have only been playing the TF2 server for this particular community on VSH and JB, both has a lot of rulebreakers like time waster in VSH, Free killer in JB, and even after all the reports and !calladmin, no admin showed up. Is there a shortage of staff or are you too busy to handle the server or just dont care? Please I hope you pay closer attention because I love these gamemodes, and is planning to play in these servers, but as it is, no enjoyment can be extracted from the amount of rule breaking going on.

I am going to stay neutral, but I am leaning toward negative. Mostly due to the language barrier. Although if you typically stay on sg servers, I could see some credence in that as well. I hope you aren't finished with your app yet.
 

XesiB

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I am going to stay neutral, but I am leaning toward negative. Mostly due to the language barrier. Although if you typically stay on sg servers, I could see some credence in that as well. I hope you aren't finished with your app yet.
That post that you quoted was my first ever thread on the forums, and I can see that it was not the most well-written thread due to the fact that I was playing the game while making the thread and I was doing it in a hurry (without any regard on spelling and grammatical errors). I believed that it was not the best example for me and I apologized for the inconvenience, however, I will be extra careful from now on and be more professional about it as to avoid undesirable things like the language barrier. I will also be slowly molding the application while gaining more experience by continuing to play and/or consulting to other players/staff members so that I could improve the content of my applications.
 

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That post that you quoted was my first ever thread on the forums, and I can see that it was not the most well-written thread due to the fact that I was playing the game while making the thread and I was doing it in a hurry (without any regard on spelling and grammatical errors). I believed that it was not the best example for me and I apologized for the inconvenience, however, I will be extra careful from now on and be more professional about it as to avoid undesirable things like the language barrier. I will also be slowly molding the application while gaining more experience by continuing to play and/or consulting to other players/staff members so that I could improve the content of my applications.
Ok.

Typically, we do in-fact welcome edits to your application, but they shouldn't continue indefinitely. Ideally an application is fully ready when someone applies. And then minor changes are made of needed. Good luck
 

XesiB

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Changes have been made (yesterday) towards the application, giving it a better look and inserting a ton of rules that I did not put in before, thank you.
 

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BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 17:27:21 XesiB™ The hale kept on hiding pusys
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 18:00:38 XesiB™ GO STRAIGHT U DICK
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 18:01:26 XesiB™ This saxton must be 6, does not even understand basic instructions
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 18:01:51 XesiB™ The hale is being a dumb shit on purpose
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 18:01:59 XesiB™ Fucking sad child
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 18:03:14 XesiB™ You piece of shit
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 18:03:37 XesiB™ This is not being mean, this is called telling a dumb fuck he is a dumb fuck
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 18:05:48 XesiB™ You are shit
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 12:34:29 XesiB™ PUSSY
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 13:18:06 XesiB™ GONNA FUCKIN TRAP KAWAII NEXT TIME
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 13:29:36 XesiB™ End your pathetic life
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 14:33:08 XesiB™ U FUCKIN ASS

BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 14:59:33 XesiB™ DID NOT SPECIFY WHICH YELLOW LINE
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 14:59:34 XesiB™ >:CCC
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 14:59:48 XesiB™ DID NOT SPECIFYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Warden doesn't have to so you don't even know Jailbreak rules either ^

BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 15:18:06 XesiB™ WARDAY
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 15:18:22 XesiB™ WARDAY
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 15:18:29 XesiB™ WARDAY
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 15:18:33 XesiB™ WARDAY
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 15:18:38 XesiB™ WARDAY
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 15:18:44 XesiB™ WARDAY
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 15:18:47 XesiB™ WARDAY

C A P S P A M ^

BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-01 14:38:29 XesiB™ Fagguette
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-01 15:16:36 XesiB™ stop hiding pussy
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-02 15:43:59 XesiB™ someone votemute this faggot seriously
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-04 04:32:25 XesiB™ PUSSY
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-04 04:57:34 XesiB™ Deathwish pussy
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-05 08:39:06 XesiB™ Memes try to stab faggot
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-05 08:39:10 XesiB™ Juking with DR out pussy

BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-05 11:23:08 XesiB™ My aimbot undetected
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-05 11:27:04 XesiB™ I have aimbot i confess :ccccc

Explain ^

BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-06 04:43:10 XesiB™ come pussy
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-08 05:56:53 XesiB™ Pussy hale no skill
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-08 06:14:55 XesiB™ PYRO COME ON U SHIT
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-26 15:49:46 XesiB™ Eat an avocado and choke u dyke

-Thiccport Everyone on my train CHOO CHOO
 

XesiB

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BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 17:27:21 XesiB™ The hale kept on hiding pusys
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 18:00:38 XesiB™ GO STRAIGHT U DICK
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 18:01:26 XesiB™ This saxton must be 6, does not even understand basic instructions
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 18:01:51 XesiB™ The hale is being a dumb shit on purpose
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 18:01:59 XesiB™ Fucking sad child
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 18:03:14 XesiB™ You piece of shit
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 18:03:37 XesiB™ This is not being mean, this is called telling a dumb fuck he is a dumb fuck
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-02-24 18:05:48 XesiB™ You are shit
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 12:34:29 XesiB™ PUSSY
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 13:18:06 XesiB™ GONNA FUCKIN TRAP KAWAII NEXT TIME
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 13:29:36 XesiB™ End your pathetic life
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 14:33:08 XesiB™ U FUCKIN ASS

BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 14:59:33 XesiB™ DID NOT SPECIFY WHICH YELLOW LINE
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 14:59:34 XesiB™ >:CCC
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 14:59:48 XesiB™ DID NOT SPECIFYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Warden doesn't have to so you don't even know Jailbreak rules either ^

BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 15:18:06 XesiB™ WARDAY
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 15:18:22 XesiB™ WARDAY
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 15:18:29 XesiB™ WARDAY
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 15:18:33 XesiB™ WARDAY
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 15:18:38 XesiB™ WARDAY
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 15:18:44 XesiB™ WARDAY
BlackWonder SG | Jailbreak 2018-02-26 15:18:47 XesiB™ WARDAY

C A P S P A M ^

BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-01 14:38:29 XesiB™ Fagguette
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-01 15:16:36 XesiB™ stop hiding pussy
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-02 15:43:59 XesiB™ someone votemute this faggot seriously
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-04 04:32:25 XesiB™ PUSSY
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-04 04:57:34 XesiB™ Deathwish pussy
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-05 08:39:06 XesiB™ Memes try to stab faggot
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-05 08:39:10 XesiB™ Juking with DR out pussy

BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-05 11:23:08 XesiB™ My aimbot undetected
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-05 11:27:04 XesiB™ I have aimbot i confess :ccccc

Explain ^

BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-06 04:43:10 XesiB™ come pussy
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-08 05:56:53 XesiB™ Pussy hale no skill
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-08 06:14:55 XesiB™ PYRO COME ON U SHIT
BlackWonder SG | Vs Saxton Hale 2018-03-26 15:49:46 XesiB™ Eat an avocado and choke u dyke

-Thiccport Everyone on my train CHOO CHOO
In VSH where the hale and/or some of the players break rules (which is camping) I get heated because I know I can't do anything about it, and most of the chat is because in VSH I have friends that I like to screw around with like enonimus, so yes a lot of those chat is very unprofessional and can even be considered toxic for those who is not my friend (So from an outside perspective).

Regarding the one that I stated I have aimbot, here is the story:
I mostly play sniper in VSH because that is my favorite class after soldier (And I am not good enough to reach 8k++ damage with a soldier), so obviously I will play sniper the most. Every round that I play sniper I get at least >5k damage, and I had a fun time doing it. And as per the tradition with every game, People starting to call out it was aimbot, I know some of them called me out as a joke, some were serious because they don't understand what a joke is, and I played along. That was the instance where I just go, "yeah yeah you are right I have aimbot, please don't call VAC". The people that called out the first time was clearly joking seeing how they laugh about it and they only do it at that round for the heck of it, however, if that created a misunderstanding for the admins and/or other players who are not in tune with the joke, I apologize.

And honestly, all snipers (that are at the very least decent) in the Blackwonder VSH always get at least one of the spots in the top 3 damage, so seeing how some people (that are not joking, of course) called me out for it, I found it hilarious and so I went along with it, but of course anyone (who really thinks I am hacking) who took their time to spectate me for 15 seconds will realize that I am not even close to that.

Regarding Jailbreak Toxicity:
Kawaii was one of my first friends in Jailbreak that I had a great time with, and of course, you probably know he is a donator. Well kawaii and me both likes to screw around with each other, however that is only with each other and not to the other players in jailbreak, and at that time where I say "Kawaii u ass" and "End your pathethic life", it was after he voteslay me when I was warden (Clearly not because I unwardened or was frekilling, it was the start of round and he was just doing the heck of it), and I know it is a donor abuse but I did not call him out on that because it happened only to me, and I had a laugh from it. For the next one I did not know that warden is allowed to not specify which yellow line (because there is a yellow line in front of the cell, and one that is near where blue is standing), and from what I experienced from past jailbreak experiences and from interaction with fellow players of Blackwonder jailbreak server, if a warden says "stand on the yellow line", and there is more than one yellow line in the map, then we can stand on either one because it is not specified, If this is wrong, however, then I am still not used to some of the traditions of jailbreak in this server, and I apologize.

For the cap spam, yes it was cap spam, I have no excuse for it. When everyone in the jailbreak started to spam warday (because it is the last round) I joined in, and yes even though everyone was doing it, it does not give me right to do it too and I should have known better, and in the end we proceeded with the round and everyone was happy. Clearly, if there was an admin there, a lot of people and I (both red and blue) would probably be gagged (and it was justified, we were spamming, and I was cap spamming).

Regarding VSH Toxicity:

This is where I messed up the most, and I really have no excuse for it, I just want to at least give my side of the story. When I was playing VSH, I am used to the toxic environment of it (and I am not talking solely on this server, this is also from all of the past VSH servers that I played in) and I got used to it, because it usually starts with something very common, that is the hale. In jailbreak where the rules are tight, I don't type a lot except for occasions where I was instigated (like the spam mentioned above) and I mostly use voice chat (because I am usually warden), however that sense of duty and shame is less when I am inside a VSH server, and I admit that is a bad thing, because that means I let out things that I will definitely regret later (and I did, seeing how I know admins can see chat logs and I still did it, but I can't take it back). Usually, I am instigated by the fact that hale was either camping, or had that one friend that he refuses to kill the whole round, and when that friend is the last one alive, it took like 5 whole minutes for them to finish up. When something like that happens, I (and some people in the server) starting cussing at the hale and calling him out, however, I know if I want them to really be punished, I should have recorded and posted it in the forums, yet I only joined in the fray of cussing at the hale, and in turn creates a chat of toxicity, and I apologize deeply for it and I regret it. The other things that instigated me was when hale solo rages me when I was using a class that is easy to kill like medic (Yes, it is a childish and stupid reason), and I call hale names, but usually in VSH server people don't really mind or care about things like that, but of course that is not a reason to do it, and I apologize again for my reckless behaviour. My mindset of thinking that VSH is less professional than Jailbreak and that in VSH I can let loose a little, is wrong and I am working on changing that mindset (because when I was hale and someone cussed me out for something, I realized how rude it was because this time it was targeted at me, and I realized what I did was stupid and hurtful).

Conclusion:
In conclusion what I did was stupid and unprofessional, I admit that and I apologize, I want to take it back but I can't, so the only way I can redeem it is in the future. I deserve to be punished for my actions, and even though I was instigated or was thrown into the mood to do it, it is not a valid reason for it. I hope that when I forgot about these kinds of things, people will also remind me and call me out for me instantly so I realized that I am going to cross that line again. I am trying and will change this mindset of mine regarding proper behavior, and I hope that in the future you will never see these kinds of things again.

Special thanks to Jim for bringing all these chatlogs up, this is a great wake up call for me and it showed me, that I let loose too much. I hope the next time you open up chat logs, you won't be seeing my name doing these kinds of things again.
 

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To prevent this from turning into a complete hate-fest, I am going to save you from yourself and close this application. There is no way with your current logs that you will be accepted. While there is no firm rule on this topic, I would expect 60 days (at a minimum) of mostly clean chatlogs prior to considering to apply again.
 
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