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Favorite Sniper Rifle (Poll)

Favorite Sniper Rifle


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Philip

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• MACHINA COLLATERAL • PENETRATION SHOT • MACHINA COLLATERAL • PENETRATION SHOT •

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• MACHINA COLLATERAL • PENETRATION SHOT • MACHINA COLLATERAL • PENETRATION SHOT •

My reason for always choosing the Machina. It's DPS is unmatched.


Team begone!
 

iTANKuUP

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A few weeks ago I got drunk and went ham with the Huntsman while playing with my friends.
I somehow got top score.
 

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Surprised I'm the only one who likes the bazzar.



Also who tf voted for the classic we know you don't like it stop lying D:<
 

Kyle

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Why would anyone use something different from Fortified compound or Stock / AWP , I mean , Machina is crap cauz It can't shoot without it being scoped. Sydney sleeper cannot headshot which destroys the whole purpose of sniper , Bazaar bargain Makes u awarded as if u kill more people the less time u have 2 aim 2 kill someone , Heatmaker is alright even doe its only for people that know how 2 headshot and Classic is just completely Useless
 

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Why would anyone use something different from Fortified compound or Stock / AWP , I mean , Machina is crap cauz It can't shoot without it being scoped. Sydney sleeper cannot headshot which destroys the whole purpose of sniper , Bazaar bargain Makes u awarded as if u kill more people the less time u have 2 aim 2 kill someone , Heatmaker is alright even doe its only for people that know how 2 headshot and Classic is just completely Useless

You are correct in mentioning the Machina's disabled-no-scope-feature, however, with this being said this is where snipers learn to quick-scope-headshot, as necessary. Particularly when faced with an enemy player in very close combat. After using the Machina for a lengthy amount of time, 'scoping' becomes second-nature and is just as quick as a no-scope-bodyshot but produces a much higher dps rate.

The Sydney Sleeper, can and has always been able to shoot a player in the head (ie headshot) however, you don't receive the guaranteed critical hit like the other sniper rifles. I do remember the time, however when, on very rare occasions, you were awarded a hs icon from the SS. good times good times

With the Bazaar Bargain, you are rewarded less charge-time requirement for a fully-charged-shot if you do a headshot. Something not necessary if you do a headshot anyway as you do the same amount of damage with the BB.

The Heatmaker isn't isolated to only those players who can do headshots. The Heatmaker does bodyshots and no-scopes too. It simply gives snipers who do more headshots the ability to remain scoped with the 'focus bar' feature. I've, personally, found this feature of the Heatmaker more of an annoyance than anything because I feel pressured to rush my shots in the duration of the 'focus'. Not my style at all.

I disagree that the "Classic is Useless". It is far from 'useless', however it is a very different sniping-style and does take a lot of getting used to, both for the user and the enemy players sniping against them. The movement of the sniper using a Classic is very different and does require any enemy player to learn the timing and be able to judge where they are going to move to and how fast. Using the Classic can produce some very interesting and quick kills that is fun.

The Fortified Compound (like the Huntsman) has the drawback of requiring 'anticipated-shots' for any attack shot on a mobile target. It can't always match the quick-response time of a rifle in long-range combat. It is more ideally suited for mid to close-range combat.

Overall, because the Machina still gives the higher dps in comparison to the other rifles/bows, it serves its purpose for the kills. Each weapon has it's pros and cons and is fully dependent on a player's game style and preference. So for me, where a snipers prime-purpose has always been to provide front-cover, the Machina is ideal.
 
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Sydney sleeper cannot headshot which destroys the whole purpose of sniper
Ok? Your whole purpose of a sniper is to headshot?

I mean , Machina is crap cauz It can't shoot without it being scoped
Umm would it not be easier and more efficient to serve "the purpose" of a sniper to scope for a headshot?

Heatmaker is alright even doe its only for people that know how 2 headshot
Wouldn't that be the best for your style of sniper?

Personally never saw the "need" to go for headshots, unless quick scoping someone that is close. Also all snipers have a secondary to help with those that get to close. For me sniper game-play is more centered around providing "cover and suppression" for your team to advance to the goal. Never favored the stock, no benefits to using it at all other then no "cons". However the pros for using the others seem to vastly outway the cons in team-play.
Aiming center-mass tends to have the same end game results as getting a headshot. Kill is a Kill. My 2 Cents.
 

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You are correct in mentioning the Machina's disabled-no-scope-feature, however, with this being said this is where snipers learn to quick-scope-headshot, as necessary. Particularly when faced with an enemy player in very close combat. After using the Machina for a lengthy amount of time, 'scoping' becomes second-nature and is just as quick as a no-scope-bodyshot but produces a much higher dps rate.

The Sydney Sleeper, can and has always been able to shoot a player in the head (ie headshot) however, you don't receive the guaranteed critical hit like the other sniper rifles. I do remember the time, however when, on very rare occasions, you were awarded a hs icon from the SS. good times good times

With the Bazaar Bargain, you are rewarded less charge-time requirement for a fully-charged-shot if you do a headshot. Something not necessary if you do a headshot anyway as you do the same amount of damage with the BB.

The Heatmaker isn't isolated to only those players who can do headshots. The Heatmaker does bodyshots and no-scopes too. It simply gives snipers who do more headshots the ability to remain scoped with the 'focus bar' feature. I've, personally, found this feature of the Heatmaker more of an annoyance than anything because I feel pressured to rush my shots in the duration of the 'focus'. Not my style at all.

I disagree that the "Classic is Useless". It is far from 'useless', however it is a very different sniping-style and does take a lot of getting used to, both for the user and the enemy players sniping against them. The movement of the sniper using a Classic is very different and does require any enemy player to learn the timing and be able to judge where they are going to move to and how fast. Using the Classic can produce some very interesting and quick kills that is fun.

The Fortified Compound (like the Huntsman) has the drawback of requiring 'anticipated-shots' for any attack shot on a mobile target. It can't always match the quick-response time of a rifle in long-range combat. It is more ideally suited for mid to close-range combat.

Overall, because the Machina still gives the higher dps in comparison to the other rifles/bows, it serves its purpose for the kills. Each weapon has it's pros and cons and is fully dependent on a player's game style and preference. So for me, where a snipers prime-purpose has always been to provide front-cover, the Machina is ideal.
I just can't get over the fact that you need to scope. Noscoping is incredibly useful in my opinion, as trying to quickscope can completely mess up your perspective, sensitivity, and view of the person attacking you. Noscopes save lives, and most of the time you won't be getting more than 1 person with the headshot. I think it's just a bodyshot machine that's really good at what it does; secure kills with bodyshots.
 

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just can't get over the fact that you need to scope. Noscoping is incredibly useful in my opinion, as trying to quickscope can completely mess up your perspective, sensitivity, and view of the person attacking you. Noscopes save lives, and most of the time you won't be getting more than 1 person with the headshot. I think it's just a bodyshot machine that's really good at what it does; secure kills with bodyshots.

No-scoping can be useful! I agree it can be but a head shot will always do more dmg. You are talking a 50 dmg body shot with a no scope vs a 150 dmg head shot quick scope. Your cross hair just needs to be on their head and a simply right click. While you would be right that you can only get 1 person with a head shot, with the Machina you can get several in 1 shot. I would think no scoping promotes body shooting more then a rifle that can only shoot while scoped. Machina gets a head shot just like every other rifle,(except the Sydney)
 

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No-scoping can be useful! I agree it can be but a head shot will always do more dmg. You are talking a 50 dmg body shot with a no scope vs a 150 dmg head shot quick scope. Your cross hair just needs to be on their head and a simply right click. While you would be right that you can only get 1 person with a head shot, with the Machina you can get several in 1 shot. I would think no scoping promotes body shooting more then a rifle that can only shoot while scoped. Machina gets a head shot just like every other rifle,(except the Sydney)
My idea is to finish off classes like demoman, soldier, or pyro with a quick bodyshot without having to rescope, since 1 bodyshot + 1 headshot kills these 3 classes (as long as they aren't overhealed)
 

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I just can't get over the fact that you need to scope. Noscoping is incredibly useful in my opinion, as trying to quickscope can completely mess up your perspective, sensitivity, and view of the person attacking you. Noscopes save lives, and most of the time you won't be getting more than 1 person with the headshot. I think it's just a bodyshot machine that's really good at what it does; secure kills with bodyshots.

Many have fallen for the myth that the "Machina can only do bodyshots". The reality is EVERY sniper weapon can do bodyshots. Just because the Machina's dps rate is markedly higher than the other sniper rifles so that you can get a 1-shot-kill-with-a-bodyshot... doesn't mean that every sniper only does bodyshots with a Machina. I've played TF2 long enough so I can put aside the need to impress everyone by 'ONLY doing headshots' and have come to recognize that "A Kill is a Kill". I play TF2 for the TEAM-factor and look out for my teammates ensuring I get a kill regardless of a hs or bs. That being said, I still have a higher headshot-rate on my Machina than bodyshots.

My idea is to finish off classes like demoman, soldier, or pyro with a quick bodyshot without having to rescope, since 1 bodyshot + 1 headshot kills these 3 classes (as long as they aren't overhealed)

So... you're willing to do bodyshots too right? ... to clinch the kill. The Machina is not the only sniper rifle/bow that aids in getting the kill with a bodyshot. You're also admitting that you're having to do a 2nd shot to get the kill... so why not just kill them with a single headshot and be done with it?!

I just can't get over the fact that you need to scope. Noscoping is incredibly useful in my opinion, as trying to quickscope can completely mess up your perspective, sensitivity, and view of the person attacking you.

It's been acknowledged above that 'no-scoping is useful' however as already expressed "After using the Machina for a lengthy amount of time, 'scoping' becomes second-nature and is just as quick as a no-scope-bodyshot but produces a much higher dps rate". ESPECIALLY when you can do a quick-scope hs like some snipers can do. And honestly, you learn to navigate the scope fairly easily the longer you play as a Machina-sniper.

As I said earlier, what weapon you choose to use is very dependent on your game-style and your preference.
 

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Many have fallen for the myth that the "Machina can only do bodyshots". The reality is EVERY sniper weapon can do bodyshots. Just because the Machina's dps rate is markedly higher than the other sniper rifles so that you can get a 1-shot-kill-with-a-bodyshot... doesn't mean that every sniper only does bodyshots with a Machina. I've played TF2 long enough so I can put aside the need to impress everyone by 'ONLY doing headshots' and have come to recognize that "A Kill is a Kill". I play TF2 for the TEAM-factor and look out for my teammates ensuring I get a kill regardless of a hs or bs. That being said, I still have a higher headshot-rate on my Machina than bodyshots.



So... you're willing to do bodyshots too right? ... to clinch the kill. The Machina is not the only sniper rifle/bow that aids in getting the kill with a bodyshot. You're also admitting that you're having to do a 2nd shot to get the kill... so why not just kill them with a single headshot and be done with it?!



It's been acknowledged above that 'no-scoping is useful' however as already expressed "After using the Machina for a lengthy amount of time, 'scoping' becomes second-nature and is just as quick as a no-scope-bodyshot but produces a much higher dps rate". ESPECIALLY when you can do a quick-scope hs like some snipers can do. And honestly, you learn to navigate the scope fairly easily the longer you play as a Machina-sniper.

As I said earlier, what weapon you choose to use is very dependent on your game-style and your preference.
It isn't only able to do bodyshots, but due to more damage, it's better at them than other snipers. Having to scope can sometimes hinder your ability to bodyshot a moving target that is close to you, so being unscoped can save your life. Also, a quick scope still won't kill any of the classes I mentioned when you use machina, you'd still need to either charge for longer or finish them with a bodyshot.
 

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My idea is to finish off classes like demoman, soldier, or pyro with a quick bodyshot without having to rescope, since 1 bodyshot + 1 headshot kills these 3 classes (as long as they aren't overhealed)

Yes, yes it does.1 QsHs (Quickscope headshot) + Bs (bodyshot) would be roughly 200dmg. Single Machina bodyshot takes out most, But a single headshot from a Machina takes out anything. The phrase "One Shot, One Kill" stands for a reason.
 

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It isn't only able to do bodyshots, but due to more damage, it's better at them than other snipers. Having to scope can sometimes hinder your ability to bodyshot a moving target that is close to you, so being unscoped can save your life. Also, a quick scope still won't kill any of the classes I mentioned when you use machina, you'd still need to either charge for longer or finish them with a bodyshot.

Yes, I agree it is better at doing a bodyshot then others, but the damage isn't exclusive to the body. Hindering your ability to bodyshot a moving target is more of a personal thing then a class or rifle issue. Crosshairs don't move just because someone scopes. So if you are scoped in already, you wouldn't need to worry about a second shot, as they would be dead anyhow. If we want to throw in the variable, a demo jumps up on battlements. Still at that point, the demo would be wounded from the jump so a no-scope bodyshot wouldn't kill them but a quickscope HS would, regardless of the rifle. Not disagreeing with the merit behind whether a no scope is useful or not as I already said it can be.
 

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It isn't only able to do bodyshots, but due to more damage, it's better at them than other snipers. Having to scope can sometimes hinder your ability to bodyshot a moving target that is close to you, so being unscoped can save your life. Also, a quick scope still won't kill any of the classes I mentioned when you use machina, you'd still need to either charge for longer or finish them with a bodyshot.

You only get increased damage on full-charge with all rifles. A quick-scope hs is going to kill just as easily as a bodyshot would, but produces higher dps and eliminates the need for potshot-no-scopes. If you're competent with the Machina, scoped-hs saves your life too. Let's imagine a scenario with an explosive-class and they're given an opportunity to be within close combat to you. How did they get there? Jumped? Then they will already be down minimum 50hp right? A QS-HS will kill them with any rifle. If they walked there, it's unlikely they would get there unscathed, however, if they're lucky enough to meet none of your teammates in the meantime, (in which case you should switch teams lol with a lack of team play) doing a ns-bs is not going to produce enough damage. Either way, you will need to do a headshot to dent their hp. A fully-charged-hs from a Machina (518 dmg) is not needed. You learn to be strategical and quick-thinking. There's no need to do fully-charged shots just because you're using the Machina. There are ways to be versatile regardless of the weapon you use.

If you're unable to navigate the scope well, then yes, doing no-scope bodyshots would be your best option. Keep in mind that using this method means you will need to do at least 3 x bs to come close to killing your opponent. But, here's where I become curious; if this is what you're doing then you're doing more bodyshots than I do on my Machina.
 

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