Username: Cadiland

Who are you reporting? Percival

What server game mode is the report concerned with?
BlackWonder US | Jailbreak

What is the accused persons's SteamID? STEAM_0:1:126431482

What is the reason of the report? I was randomly guard banned for no reason by them using their donor powers. Percival has been in trouble before for abusing their donor powers. Warden made prisoners play obby, I was watching from inside most of the time and decided to step out to make sure that the reds that finished would not run away. I step out and try to close the door on the reds with another blu standing there with me. Apparently a sniper had gotten ammo and was shooting at me from farther back. I decided to rocket jump and kill him which is within a VERY reasonable vicinity of the minigame we were playing, I even decided to rocket jump straight up and not at him. As shown in the rules you can be a reasonable ways away (which I was undoubtedly still at the minigame, not even close to being a hunt and chase). Even the moderator EST said in chat that I was not hunting and chasing as seen in one of the screenshots I will attach. I also think that it is weird that out of the 3 blus that were outside the game we were playing, I was the only one "disobeying wardens orders".

The first screenshot is him initiating the ban on me including EST claiming I was not hunting and chasing (clearly).

The second screenshot was taken later when I decided to make the report. This is me receiving the ban (Thus why I am on a different map. Also the name of the teamban vote is broken and has been for forever but I'm sure you can check sourcebans)

Files you have as proof File(s) attached

Any other proof you have Here is a Youtube link to the evidence: https://youtu.be/v8NaekXlbDU
And I will attach 2 screenshots.

@est you were present at the time. What is your opinion on this?

I watched it happen and unfortunately i dont have a clip and as you can see my initial response was that the guard was not illegally hunting and chasing. I had already finished the game so I couldnt see how far away the warden was. But because the blues are allowed to be at the exit it all comes down to how technical you want to be. someone could say they were far from the warden in relative distance and one could say the blue was just right outside the exit.

There were like 4 other blues at the exit as well. Surely they should have been punished as well, no?

Tax Fraud said:

There were like 4 other blues at the exit as well. Surely they should have been punished as well, no?

Click to expand...

I disagree, cause otherwise I can be at the exit of any minigame mile away from the warden as it could teleport them to the other side of the map.

1. The radius still would have to apply, because thats the logic thats default in every jailbreak game
   
   
   
   
2. Its been widely accepted that the warden has a specific radius regardless of position that blues must be in, otherwise it would be considered hunting and chasing.
   
   
   
   
3. So it wouldn't really be fair for Tax to enforce this logic because otherwise it'd undermine many instances of this same thing occurring, and have had people punished.

Percy said:

I can be at the exit of any minigame

Click to expand...

No, just the game they're playing

Percy said:

Its been widely accepted

Click to expand...

by who

Percy said:

So it wouldn't really be fair for Tax to enforce this logic because otherwise it'd undermine many instances of this same thing occurring, and have had people punished.

Click to expand...

can you explain this in football terms please

Percy said:

The radius still would have to apply, because thats the logic thats default in every jailbreak game

Click to expand...

also, what radius? Did we implement a leash rule while I was napping

I don't mean to interrupt any discussion here, but I would like to point out that the entrance and the exit of the game are a mere few feet apart from each other. Reds are able to be teleported out of the game when they finish which is "miles" from the exit in the actual indoor game. I find that fact alone is enough to be able to sit at the exit and to watch the reds to make sure they don't leave. Otherwise reds would just immediately run away if the cage is open. It's just common sense, what Percival said also makes no sense as the other blues were still standing right next to me proving that I was targeted in malice in this case.

Tax Fraud said:

also, what radius? Did we implement a leash rule while I was napping

Click to expand...

Its widely accepted by donators and regulars that blues are considered hunting and chasing if they're not sticking with the warden. This instance that happened a while ago is accepted as not hunting and chasing because the blue is around the warden while the red is rebelling (the blue is not at the exit of the game, but still next to wardens presence).

Cadiland said:

I don't mean to interrupt any discussion here, but I would like to point out that the entrance and the exit of the game are a mere few feet apart from each other. Reds are able to be teleported out of the game when they finish which is "miles" from the exit in the actual indoor game. I find that fact alone is enough to be able to sit at the exit and to watch the reds to make sure they don't leave. Otherwise reds would just immediately run away if the cage is open. It's just common sense, what Percival said also makes no sense as the other blues were still standing right next to me proving that I was targeted in malice in this case.

Click to expand...

You were in fact, a long distance away from warden. Its a common misconception that just because everyone else is doing it, means its okay. Just like how fire abuse is, while some may get reprimanded, some don't because they've not been punished yet, and think they can continue to do it. Why would I tban multiple blues for doing so, while you were the sole person who *did* kill the rebelling red.

Percy said:

Its widely accepted by donators and regulars

Click to expand...

Can you cite an actual rule where this is outlined


This is a really bad example because the exit, entrance, red side, and blue side are all next to eachother.


You're okay with leaving the exit unguardable for blues?

Tax Fraud said:

View attachment 30872
Can you cite an actual rule where this is outline

Click to expand...

Never said It was a rule, just that it is widely accepted by a majority of players.

Tax Fraud said:

View attachment 30873
This is a really bad example because the exit, entrance, red side, and blue side are all next to eachother.

Click to expand...

Then by technicality I can be on the roof of Deathrun in Bootcamp while overlooking the whole map as sniper while warden is inside.

Tax Fraud said:

View attachment 30874
You're okay with leaving the exit unguardable for blues?

Click to expand...

Spacejail mario karts blue side. Just control your reds better to avoid having the exit camped, I do this all the time on Aztec by having reds go to the red side, spies will go to blue side and camp the exit, and just like that I can have all non rebellers leave the game and follow me while my blues can camp the blue entrance for them to exit. Its just a matter of playing around these sort of situations. You shouldn't purposefully leave wardens side unprotected. Oh and fun fact, Bobert did ask for all guards to stick with him, minus medics and spies who can hunt and chase.

Percy said:

You were in fact, a long distance away from warden. Its a common misconception that just because everyone else is doing it, means its okay. Just like how fire abuse is, while some may get reprimanded, some don't because they've not been punished yet, and think they can continue to do it. Why would I tban multiple blues for doing so, while you were the sole person who *did* kill the rebelling red.


View attachment 30868

Click to expand...

This diagram thing you made is overly exaggerated on purpose. For instance, on supermario outside of speedrun. Would I be hunting and chasing if I sat outside the blue door because everyone gets teleported across the map to participate in the minigame? The "play area" for speedrun is far out into the wall/skybox of the map. This is literally just reaching for straws to try and make your viewpoint somehow seem valid. If I were to say, A box ending slightly into the tunnel and barely past sweeper would be a good place to put the hunt and chase limit, I was clearly within those bounds.

Percy said:

Never said It was a rule, just that it is widely accepted by a majority of players.


Then by technicality I can be on the roof of Deathrun in Bootcamp while overlooking the whole map as sniper while warden is inside.



Spacejail mario karts blue side. Just control your reds better to avoid having the exit camped, I do this all the time on Aztec by having reds go to the red side, spies will go to blue side and camp the exit, and just like that I can have all non rebellers leave the game and follow me while my blues can camp the blue entrance for them to exit. Its just a matter of playing around these sort of situations. You shouldn't purposefully leave wardens side unprotected. Oh and fun fact, Bobert did ask for all guards to stick with him, minus medics and spies who can hunt and chase.

Click to expand...

First of all he did not, he said medics and spys could hunt and chase (which I wasnt doing)
Second of all, going back to a previous point brought up, then 2 other blues should be punished along with me, not including the medic if that's what you're saying?

Percy said:

Never said It was a rule, just that it is widely accepted by a majority of players.

Click to expand...

So why bring it up? Do any of these players include staff?

Percy said:

Then by technicality I can be on the roof of Deathrun in Bootcamp while overlooking the whole map as sniper while warden is inside.

Click to expand...

when did I ever say that lol

Percy said:

Just control your reds better to avoid having the exit camped

Click to expand...

this example is incongruent with what we have been discussing

Percy said:

Oh and fun fact, Bobert did ask for all guards to stick with him, minus medics and spies who can hunt and chase.

Click to expand...

your arrogance is showing lol

Locked until I can check it out tomorrow.

Man "chased" two feet horizontally and I don't care how far he moved vertically. This is a ridiculous teamban I am marking invalid.

Accepting the report. Percival can appeal and explain his justification there.